"She did not notice how the wicked little eyes, red with rage, watched her. Yvonne came nearer and stooped for the ball. With a spring like a wild animal the dog was upon her. The massive jaws closed with terrific force on the baby's head and bore her to the ground, where the brute tore at the tiny form as if mad. Despite beatings showered on it and bullets fired into its body, it clung to its prey. At the eighth bullet the infuriated animal fell lifeless, but an iron bar was necessary to pry loose the cruel white teeth from their death grip."
"The bulldog had not been regarded as vicious and always had been friendly with the children."
Richmond Planet August 26, 1905
42 comments:
Some things never change
I do not understand how people can still believe in Bad Rap and other advocates when more and more evidence shows the contrary to so many myths such as the nanny dog.
What makes this all the more real is that it has an accompanying illustration of a dog that is obviously a pit bull. That is, an APBT or SBT.
Yet no advocacy has been able to show articles of the dog being hailed as a nanny dog by an accredited source in the two breed's supposed glory day. That being the inception of the breeds to around the 1950's. But surely it's just coinkydink.
Would also like to note these myths...
"Pit bulls were often bought as family pets!" This pit bulls was documented as being a guard of the cherry trees.
"Pit bulls have a strong tolerance with children!" Yet the dog was easily provoked by the teasing of neighborhood boys trying to get to the tree...
"Pit bulls were known as nanny dogs!" The dog didn't attack the intruders, but they very child it should have been good with seeing how she was the youngest daughter of its masters!
"Well the dog must have been abused or taught to be mean!" So are you saying that pit bulls aren't inherently good with children and that they can't be rehabilitated or be the most forgiving breed naturally?
No matter how you splice it; excuses for pitties is pitiful.
America's Nanny Dog Shines Brightly!
1911 Bulldog Attacks Boy & Toddler
"Two more fierce attacks by bulldogs have be called to the attention of this paper within the past two days. On Monday, Blaine Hulstron, aged 11, and his baby brother Tom, aged 3, were homeward bound on Twenthy-fifth street. Moving in the direction of Wall avenue, when a bulldog, evidently aiming to seize the baby, made for the children... the dog had torn a large hole in the boy's leg.
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It is not about time that someone concerted action to be taken to put an end to the bulldog nuisance? The dogs become pets of their owners and no owner will voluntary confess that his dog is vicious, but all bulldogs should be muzzled and kept muzzled as the great majority are a source of danger."
1893 Bulldog Mauls Little Ed Turner Of Portsmouth
1893 Little San Rafael Devoured By Mad Bulldog
1910 Ferocious Bulldogs Kill Little Joseph Allegrini
1912 Two Boys Attacked By Bulldog
1912 Bulldog Diverts Attack From Dog To Girl
1913 Child's Nanny Dog Scalped For Taking Dog's Cucumber
1914 Bulldog Breaks Loose & Mauls Little Roy McMullan
1913 Bulldog Lacerates His Owner Little Christoval Martinez
1914 Youthful Harry Ryan Attacked By Bulldog
The Evening Standard "Muzzle The Bulldogs"
"All the dogs in Ogden are not worth the life of a child, yet some day, with the great increase of bulldogs in this city, someone's baby will not be sacrificed to the ferocious animals, if the law does not compel every owner to muzzle his bulldog."
1907 Bulldog Attacks Its Mirror Image
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Here ye here ye! Sad news on the old papers of time past as word has come about that several bulldogs have mutilated some innocent babes. Some were even shook from the pram!
1907 Bulldog Kills Little Manning In Cradle
1910 Little Mary Tierra Mauled By Bulldog
1912 Jealous Pet Bulldog Kills His Master's Newborn
1912 Little Jasper Goff Strangled To Death By Bulldog
But fortunately some babes made it out alive! Although with grave consequence!
1920 Bulldog Slashes Child's Neck
And what is this! A bulldog saves little child from a snake? Alas! It was an english bulldog! The stubby little romper of Victorian class!
And in other news, a man enlightens us on his level of fear by stating this whammer! "This case I do not like. It makes me timid, as I said. I'm as cowardly as a child before a bulldog now."
Don't be fooled; apparently little boys like me fight and bet on bulldogs! Except these bulldogs were the French and Boston bulldogs; that is - terriers! Amazing how good breeding has shown these dogs to be gentle pets of the future. But... it is all in how you raise them!
Seems as though pit bull breeders and owners were struggling since 1911 to prove that bulldogs were a gentle breed of dog…
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030193/1911-02-11/ed-1/seq-4/;words=bulldog+Pit+PIT+Bulldogs?date1=1836&rows=20&searchType=basic&state=&date2=1922&proxtext=pit+bulldog&y=0&x=0&dateFilterType=yearRange&index=0
"For this information, the public will largely be indebted to the Cedarbrook Kennel … will exhibit two fine specimens of the Pit type at the Madison Square Kennel Show, not only with a view to showing the gentle side of the breed but for the purpose of starting the Pit family in the dog show class."
"The champion of the Pit urge that the dog is not a fighter unless he is bought up that way and that he is ideal watch and guard dog in addition to being … and especially suited for the pet realm."
Also love how the pit bull's owner is willing to risk little children for this stunt.
"The two dogs which will be shown have been broke to harness, and a little girl drived them to a diminutive wagon…"
Wait…. I thought pit bulls aka bulldogs were always good with children. I thought that these dogs were always viewed by the majority of the public as being sweet as log as they are raised right. I thought these dogs were always known as America's Dog.
If these are all truths, why am I coming across more and more papers showing people trying to prove that they are good natured?
I have a 3yr old APBT, The tall skinny kind, not short and stocky. My dad was a chicago cop and has seen the worst of the worst of this breed. His expierence with the breed led to me having a negative view of them as well. When I told him I got a pit to him I was the biggest idiot on the planet. And now he wants to keep my dog for himself.
Hearing people speak down on the entire breed really does bother me. I do understand where they are coming from but I am not sure their info is 1st hand or accurate (like mine before I became an owner) My dad actually said the other day my dog is probably the overall best dog he has ever seen. A lot of muts get pigeon holed as pits and I think that could be the catalyst that spreads this disinformation like wildfire.
I can honestly say in the 2yrs I've had mine he has NEVER NOT ONCE shown aggression to anyone or anything. I have video of him playing with deer and raccoons. Twice he has been attacked by other breeds (drawing blood both times a pug and also a corgi) and he ran to me incredibly scared and confused. He gave me a look like wtf I was just trying to play and they attacked me. It was upsetting seeing that sadness in his eyes.
For everyone else that defends the breed I have not idea. But as for mine I guarantee you will never find a more submissive affectionate happy go lucky dog on this planet!
To me:
Personally I don't think pit bulls are all dangerous. Some, when bred and handled right are good dogs. The problem is that too many people just breed dogs regardless of temperament and there are many people who still breed these dogs to be aggressive to dogs and people, whatever you want to call it.
It's not "in how you raise them." At least not completely. It's how you breed these dogs and how they are raised. I've known many fine pits. But I've known more aggressive and dangerous pits than I have any other breed or breed type.
You seem to be ignoring the large picture here. How many pit bull owners have owned a dog that's "never shown aggression before" or "has always been good with -" children, people, and other animals. Then goes to kill their child, maul their neighbor, or mutilate the family pet?
It's ok to acknowledge that not every pit bull is dangerous; because they're not. But be smart... realize that too many cause harm for little to no reason. And that harm often results in mutilation and death.
I don't have a problem with people admitting that pit bulls can be good dogs in the right hands. I have a problem with people saying that "it's all that the dog needs." When it's clearly not the case.
Unless you love seeing 1 million dead pit bulls, and hundreds of mutilated pets and people per year. Keep up with that train of logic and you will continue to support unnecessary suffering on both pit bulls and the people who encounter them.
"A lot of muts get pigeon holed as pits and I think that could be the catalyst that spreads this disinformation like wildfire."
Funny how a lot of these "mutts" look mostly pit bull. Why aren't there any labordoodles of puggles mauling, biting, and hurting people like pit bull mixes of "mutts that look like pit bulls but aren't" as you seem to be implying, Me?
Well anonymous I think its safe to say you have no idea what an actual Pitbull is or looks like. There are Pitbulls and there are Pit Bulls. The later are muts, bread with several different breeds to obtain certain desired characteristics. A Pit bull is any of several breeds of dog in the molosser breed group. The ghetto type look that most of society (only educated by the media with no personal expierence) think are pitbulls. That/those are the real problem. Pitbulls are kinda tall and thin (NO MORE than 75lbs similar to an average sized lab)like Petey, the little rascals pup. Anything heavier is overweight or NOT A PITBULL! The ONLY purebread of the type is the APBT (Pitbull). Americas nanny dog. You wanna talk about puggles? If you read my entire post my Pitbull was attacked by a pug, ran away and coward behind me! It's very unfortonate that so many people have an unwarrrented negative opinion (like I did) because ANYONE lucky enough to have one of these dogs as a FAMILY pet will have a life changing new best friend and would never be without! I GUARANTEE THIS.
And honestly who knows better... those who have 1st hand dealings with the breed? Or those who've seen a few to many news reports and think now they're the expert. I don't understand how or why people feel their opinion/views on something is they way it is, written in stone. Especially when they have no personal expierence in the matter. I would never be so closed minded and arrogant on ANY topic I didn't know inside and out. It really is sad how closed minded the general public is. And not only on this topic but anything.
Here is a little info for you so you can have a well rounded arsenal for your next post. Although all the research in the world doesnt come close to 1st hand knowledge. I can read every book out there on how to ride a bike, but when that time comes I will fall until I figure it out for myself
Here is a NATIONAL temperment test for most breeds
http://dogs.about.com/cs/breedprofiles/a/pitbull_history.htm#
APBT 86.4% Chihuahua 71.1% German Shep 84.4% Golder Ret 84.9%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pit_Bull_Terrier
http://www.pitbull-apbt.com/
http://www.realpitbull.com/history3.html
http://www.colbypitbull.com/
http://dogs.about.com/cs/breedprofiles/a/pitbull_history.htm#
Well anonymous I think its safe to say you have no idea what an actual Pitbull is or looks like. There are Pitbulls and there are Pit Bulls. The later are muts, bread with several different breeds to obtain certain desired characteristics. A Pit bull is any of several breeds of dog in the molosser breed group. The ghetto type look that most of society (only educated by the media with no personal expierence) think are pitbulls. That/those are the real problem. Pitbulls are kinda tall and thin (NO MORE than 75lbs similar to an average sized lab)like Petey, the little rascals pup. Anything heavier is overweight or NOT A PITBULL! The ONLY purebread of the type is the APBT (Pitbull). Americas nanny dog. You wanna talk about puggles? If you read my entire post my Pitbull was attacked by a pug, ran away and coward behind me! It's very unfortonate that so many people have an unwarrrented negative opinion (like I did) because ANYONE lucky enough to have one of these dogs as a FAMILY pet will have a life changing new best friend and would never be without! I GUARANTEE THIS.
And honestly who knows better... those who have 1st hand dealings with the breed? Or those who've seen a few to many news reports and think now they're the expert. I don't understand how or why people feel their opinion/views on something is they way it is, written in stone. Especially when they have no personal expierence in the matter. I would never be so closed minded and arrogant on ANY topic I didn't know inside and out. It really is sad how closed minded the general public is. And not only on this topic but anything.
Here is a little info for you so you can have a well rounded arsenal for your next post. Although all the research in the world doesnt come close to 1st hand knowledge. I can read every book out there on how to ride a bike, but when that time comes I will fall until I figure it out for myself
Here is a NATIONAL temperment test for most breeds
http://dogs.about.com/cs/breedprofiles/a/pitbull_history.htm#
APBT 86.4% Chihuahua 71.1% German Shep 84.4% Golder Ret 84.9%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pit_Bull_Terrier
http://www.pitbull-apbt.com/
http://www.realpitbull.com/history3.html
http://www.colbypitbull.com/
http://dogs.about.com/cs/breedprofiles/a/pitbull_history.htm
Well anonymous I think its safe to say you have no idea what an actual Pitbull is or looks like. There are Pitbulls and there are Pit Bulls. The later are muts, bread with several different breeds to obtain certain desired characteristics. A Pit bull is any of several breeds of dog in the molosser breed group. The ghetto type look that most of society (only educated by the media with no personal expierence) think are pitbulls. That/those are the real problem. Pitbulls are kinda tall and thin (NO MORE than 75lbs similar to an average sized lab)like Petey, the little rascals pup. Anything heavier is overweight or NOT A PITBULL! The ONLY purebread of the type is the APBT (Pitbull). Americas nanny dog. You wanna talk about puggles? If you read my entire post my Pitbull was attacked by a pug, ran away and coward behind me! It's very unfortonate that so many people have an unwarrrented negative opinion (like I did) because ANYONE lucky enough to have one of these dogs as a FAMILY pet will have a life changing new best friend and would never be without! I GUARANTEE THIS.
And honestly who knows better... those who have 1st hand dealings with the breed? Or those who've seen a few to many news reports and think now they're the expert. I don't understand how or why people feel their opinion/views on something is they way it is, written in stone. Especially when they have no personal expierence in the matter. I would never be so closed minded and arrogant on ANY topic I didn't know inside and out. It really is sad how closed minded the general public is. And not only on this topic but anything.
Here is a little info for you so you can have a well rounded arsenal for your next post. Although all the research in the world doesnt come close to 1st hand knowledge. I can read every book out there on how to ride a bike, but when that time comes I will fall until I figure it out for myself
Here is a NATIONAL temperment test for most breeds
http://dogs.about.com/cs/breedprofiles/a/pitbull_history.htm#
APBT 86.4% Chihuahua 71.1% German Shep 84.4% Golder Ret 84.9%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pit_Bull_Terrier
http://www.pitbull-apbt.com/
http://www.realpitbull.com/history3.html
http://www.colbypitbull.com/
http://dogs.about.com/cs/breedprofiles/a/pitbull_history.htm
Bill Dodaro
1890 † Little Edna Glanzman Killed
1898 Bulldog Interrupts Philosophy Class Attacking Student
1901 Little Andrew Dillion Saved By Orange
1906 Young Sayre Lacerated By Bulldog
1912 Young Lass Saves Two Boys From Bulldog Attack
1914 Little Roy McMullan Savaged
In other news!
English bulldog hailed as fine pet for families and children!
Bulldog Tige kills another bulldog saving the victimized fox terrier! I dare say that this was more of spark of fun from ol Tige more than a good notion of heart!
1893 Jacob Riehl has flesh from lower jaw torn off by a vicious bulldog!
sorry bill, your THREE duplicate comments landed in spam.
WTF is the NATIONAL temperament test? i have looked for it prior to your mention of it here. it doesn't exist anywhere on the internet except the factually challenged nutter talking points. the link you provide doesn't even talk about the AMERICAN temperament test. but if you would like to educate yourself about the AMERICAN temperement test, click here. and if you want to educate yourself about the moron who authored the about page that you apparently think so highly about, click here and here
and here.
that closed mindedness that brings you so much sadness swings both ways you lnow. and regarding first hand dealings, that always swings both ways. until you have been savaged by a pit bull, until you have watched your beloved pet under attack from a pit bull, until you have witnessed their out of this world prey drive, THEN you can speak with authority on the subject.
so my question to you, what kind of RESPONSIBLE pit bull owner allows his long legged pit bull to run off leash in public?
Blah..Blah..blah...Pit peddler shuckin' and jivin' despite three more Americans killed by Pits this week.
me :
No need to educate anons here on the pit bull, me. And your definitions of a pit bull are skewed.
"There are Pitbulls and there are Pit Bulls. The later are muts, bread with several different breeds to obtain certain desired characteristics." Since pit bulls have been around for 200 years; doubt that game dog breeders are still breeding mutts when they have well founded lines with more than a 100 years of game breeding in the blood. But of course you will no resort to "that's not a pit bull!" when the past history is steadily showing that theses dogs were not in high favor since inception.
"A Pit bull is any of several breeds of dog in the molosser breed group." Of course; if you use the archaic term them APBT (who are also Staffies), Bull Terriers, Olde Boston Bulldogges, some lines of Dane and Boxer were all pit bulls by FUNCTION at one time. But they were not all of close genetic relation, you dolt. And it's the APBT, also known as a bulldog past and present. who's the dog documented the most for mauling in past and present. Just so you know.
"The ghetto type look that most of society (only educated by the media with no personal experience) think are pitbulls. That/those are the real problem." Those ARE pit bulls by genetic relation and are closely related to the APBT but NOT the other pit bulls who are such by function. Yes, many are infused with other breed blood or are bred from other pit stock that ha those characteristics; but they are still pit bulls.
"Americas nanny dog." You don't read the above comments that much, do you; me?
"You wanna talk about puggles? If you read my entire post my Pitbull was attacked by a pug, ran away and coward behind me! It's very unfortonate that so many people have an unwarrrented negative opinion (like I did) because ANYONE lucky enough to have one of these dogs as a FAMILY pet will have a life changing new best friend and would never be without! I GUARANTEE THIS." So now you're saying a pug is more dangerous than pit bull? Laughable! Also - the anon your'e talking to? Don't know which one... I'm sure mentioned before that not all pit bulls were bad dogs. But that their level of danger is high and noticeable. Do I personally think pit bulls can make good pets? Yes; but only if they are bred right and have someone who's had experience with dogs. The liabilities are too high when you get a pit with unknown history and you're a first time dog owner….
"And honestly who knows better... those who have 1st hand dealings with the breed? Or those who've seen a few to many news reports and think now they're the expert." I don't need to own a pit bull to know that they can be dangerous dogs. Which is why I don't need to own a tiger to know that they are dangerous felines. And seeing so many reports that are well documented of pit bull attacks that weren't abused? Yea, I don't need to own a pit bull. Thank you. Here's a small skim to help you out. Look at Prince, Kappa, and for more attacks read this blog.
'I don't understand how or why people feel their opinion/views on something is they way it is, written in stone. Especially when they have no personal experience in the matter. I would never be so closed minded and arrogant on ANY topic I didn't know inside and out." Well you obviously know jack about the nanny dog myth as evidenced above.... good thanks for pointing that out black kettle.
"Here is a little info for you so you can have a well rounded arsenal for your next post. Although all the research in the world doesn't come close to 1st hand knowledge. I can read every book out there on how to ride a bike, but when that time comes I will fall until I figure it out for myself" Not a real study, and amazing that no other dog is mauling and killing like the pit bull. :)
I would also like to thank Dawn for pointing out you let your pit bull run off leash in what seems to be a park. Now that's responsible ownership!
You also seem to believe that these people from old times could not tell bulldogs and pit bulls apart from each other.
Read helplesspaperboy's posts on pit bulls. Look at that! English bulldog! It was known to be good with children! And what did a reporter have to say about this supposed popular breed? "All the dogs in Ogden are not worth the life of a child, yet some day, with the great increase of bulldogs in this city, someone's baby will not be sacrificed to the ferocious animals, if the law does not compel every owner to muzzle his bulldog." Stated before, look at helplesspaperboy's posts about bulldogs, ie pit bulls, ie APBTs…
These people were victorian breeders and dog fanciers. I do not doubt that most of them could tell one breed of pit bull by function or genetics from another. Take for example Stubby; the decorated war pit bull who was a Boston Terrier. Back them, they were ebbing out of the sea of the pit bull dog by function. As mentioned by the Evening Public Ledger July 09 1921 Night Extra ""STUBBY DECORATED. The Boston bull terrier, for serving seventeen engagements, was decorated by General John J…" Here's another good post about Stubby the supposed APBT as advocates like to portray him.
Love how Bill ran away once Dawn through some hard to disprove evidence in his way. Or maybe it was because she threw out his clear irresponsibility as a pit bull owner. Either way, this guy looses on both accounts.
Would also love to point out, Bill, that the dog pictured above and described in many accounts is an APBT or a close derivative of such. IE an APBT mix. Either way you slice, these pibbles were just as of a liability in the past as they are in the present . And the evidence speaks for itself.
Actually anonymous I posted that my last comment several times only to have it flagged.... Before finally posted. Also I don't waste my time arguing with ignorant people closed to anything but their own beliefs. If you (or anyone else for that matter) would like send me a private email (fitnessrx @ gmail) and I will be more than happy to give my home address and phone # so we can make it a little more personal. As far as unleashed. I have 100 yards of private beach MINE to occupy how I please. I had every right to sue both times my dog was attacked on my property! But being an understanding realistic person unlike the majority of the hate filled people that post on here i didn't. Nor do i have a problem with anyone using any of my lake michigan shoreline. So maybe next time you should get the facts before spouting off at the mouth about shit you know absolutely nothing about.
Evidence???? I also don't give a shit about newspaper clippings from a completely different century. Like I said in my post I can only vouch for my dog and what I've seen through my experiences.... None of which your evidence relates to. I hope to hear from you soon.
http://atts.org/
Sorry, American test
I actually am disappointed I let you guys sucker me into this shit. Honestly unless Anyone as had THEIR OWN family destroyed by a dog of this breed you have no reason to be spreading your hate. Are your lives that empty, have you nothing of any relevance or worth to your positive time and love to. Do you need to be slandering an animal one of gods creatures... Regardless the breed. Mankind has wreaked havoc on this earth since we've been here.... Everyone of you has done some pretty despicable things to someone at some point in your life... Instead of point fingers (at anyone about anything) work on perfecting yourself and your life to make a difference to this world in a positive way (like my dog does for me)
Bla bla bla I hate gerbils they've gotten stuck in too many fat asses that we need to ban and kill them all. How long will we stand aside while gerbils destroy the intestines and colons of our countries beloved rump rangers!
It's 3am and I have a wedding to go to tomorrow and you got me all worked up. The fact is who cares... We can argue back and forth forever. ALL of my points ALWAYS being valid while only some of yours are.... It really doesn't matter! Why do you people care so much about something that never has and the chances of it ever happening are so small it isn't even worth calculating! I have a great dog, I also have a child due in a few months & I can't wait to watch them together! It completes my family and who are you to stick your fat glutton ass in and try to tell me I'm wrong or irresponsible. Because if in 5, 10, 20 years I have a great family with great pits as pets and my children grow up loving them and having the love returned that's a happy ending to me... If not it'll me my problem not yours! And believe me I wouldn't risk my family over anything if I felt it a risk it would be different. So worry about you and yours.... If you feel the need to worry about me and mine come on by and find for yourself and not just some forum judging by my choice of pet... Your entitled attitude is the poison ruining this world
This'll probably be my last post so if you're looking for a reply it'll have to be through email cuz I'm done lowering my self to this level. No not running or hiding... I gave my full name F sakes.
Fact is everything on this page is a bs argument... Perhaps some of you have your hearts are in the right place but this society has made you too jaded... You got lazy and didn't really think things out.
When I was about 4 I had a little (from memory I think a jack Russell looking dog) bite through my face. 1st time that dog ever showed any aggression I was the lucky little boy. Just like everyone says when their dog attacks... He's never shown any signs of this. Most of the time that may be true.... They are animals. I had 4 holes in my face, 2 through my nose 2 through my cheek. For the rest of summer '84 I was terrified of that little dog and stayed far away from that side of the street. I remember my dad talking to the owners... To inform them what happened not threaten them. No screaming, no blaming, no sueing. It's life they're animals shit happens lesson learned. Luckily for me it was clean bite and very minimal physical scaring. Had that dog been a pit I'd probably had my skull crushed I understand that, I'm pretty sure everyone does... If not you probably shouldn't be living without supervision or making any decisions of your own. Of course when something much smaller and nowhere the strength bites the damage will most often be minimal. So anything with strength enough to cause major damage needs to be reevaluated?
By what seems to be the logic on this page.... All Jews should have their tax rate doubled because as a race they have more financial strength. NBA teams should have a limit of how many black players can be on a roster as well as limit their total minutes played to keep things fair for our less athletic white boys. For too long Antebellum selective breeding has given them an unfair advantage. Nor should anyone with a body fat less than 10% be allowed to model because they make everyone else feel fat and ugly.
Do you guys realize you have an entire page detected to dogs mauling people? Not educating people or raising awareness to try and find solutions to many of the problems, but glorifying bloodshed. It's like you guys are happy when you hear a news report or find an article about someone having a life changing experience at the jaws of a dog! It's like our gov. War on drugs, war on hunger, war on terror. When are we gonna learn focusing on the negative will NEVER give us positive results! How much hate does a person have to have to create a page like this? 100+ yrs of pitbull attack stories? Really? It makes me sad sometimes knowing this is the world i'm bringing a child into. How about a page detected to your favorite breed full of wonderful stories compiled by you and your readers? My being an advocate of a different breed wouldn't seek your page out then fill it with anything negative I can find on your breed... That'd make me an asshole.
Instead if you feel for you and your loved ones that a dog like this could cause a real devastating situation educate your family. Teach them be aware. As far back as I can remember I was told to stay away from pits... If I saw a dog that I thought could have been a pit I went home... Yet I almost had my face tore off by a cute little lap dog. Fact is they're animals... All of them. You never know when one regardless the breed can strike. So warn your kids. If neighbors or your kids friends families have a pit talk to them... Respectfully. Find the reassurance needed that those owners will be aware and careful. That they won't leave your kid unsupervised with their dog. It isn't about being right or making valid points... It's about protecting our loved ones!
That's how yours problems get fixed... Not this shit! What you're doing is pretty morbid.
Instead of dwelling on what has happened over the last hundred plus years how about working to make sure it isn't that way for the next 100. This isn't the dark ages.... Let's try and be a little more progressive..
Heres a perfect example that hopefully you people can understand...
Not that I'm some christian radical fanatic actually I'm not religious at and really can give 2 shits about religion!
A very intelligent south park quote
Stan: No, dude, if you wanna be Christian, that's cool, but, you should follow what Jesus taught instead of how he got killed. Focusing on how he got killed is what people did in the Dark Ages and it ends up with really bad results.
Wake up people
Hey there, Bill.
"I actually am disappointed I let you guys sucker me into this shit." Well we cannot help that you're easy to enrage. Owner like dog, eh?
"Honestly unless Anyone as had THEIR OWN family destroyed by a dog of this breed you have no reason to be spreading your hate." You don't know the lives of any of the people who are commenting here, so you're being just as discriminatory as the people you claim are inherently so.
"Are your lives that empty, have you nothing of any relevance or worth to your positive time and love to." I spend most of my day at a well paying job personally. Didn't know that having a productive life that is also full of social opportunity meant my life was shallow and pointless, good to know.
"Do you need to be slandering an animal one of gods creatures..." Last time I checked, dogs were created by man. And yay for another hallow argument with no real bases or purpose.
"Mankind has wreaked havoc on this earth since we've been here.... Everyone of you has done some pretty despicable things to someone at some point in your life... Instead of point fingers (at anyone about anything) work on perfecting yourself and your life to make a difference to this world in a positive way (like my dog does for me). You sure do seem to love pointing fingers with all of your ad hominems. :)
"Bla bla bla I hate gerbils they've gotten stuck in too many fat asses that we need to ban and kill them all. How long will we stand aside while gerbils destroy the intestines and colons of our countries beloved rump rangers" Hahaha! Really? You're one silly B12 deficient human there, Bill.
Congratulations, you've lost the argument.
And again, Bill.
"It's 3am and I have a wedding to go to tomorrow and you got me all worked up. The fact is who cares..." You apparently care because you keep coming back for more.
"We can argue back and forth forever. ALL of my points ALWAYS being valid while only some of yours are...." And what points of yours are valid? You've made no real argument beyond, "those aren't real pit bulls" or "my pit bull would never do that." You know, something along those lines. The debates being made here on this blog are simple. Pit bulls were never known as nanny dogs, were never known as America's dogs, and were always known to be more of a social and economical liability because pit bulls were purposefully breed to be easily provoked, fight, and finish it. You make vague and absolute arguments that have no foundation because you've no real point to debate!
"It really doesn't matter! Why do you people care so much about something that never has and the chances of it ever happening are so small it isn't even worth calculating!" Do you look at how many people are attacked by pit bulls each year? And that's not counting the deaths. And more of these attacks occur. Few pit bulls are kept as pets and even fewer live to die naturally. So the amount of pit bulls who are actually owned as pets are quite few, yet they make up most of the attacks and fatalities. Is it rare to be killed by a dog or attacked by one? Maybe so. But when it comes to a pit bull attack or death the chances are way higher and the evidence shows. Common sense would tell anyone that.
"I have a great dog, I also have a child due in a few months & I can't wait to watch them together! It completes my family and who are you to stick your fat glutton ass in and try to tell me I'm wrong or irresponsible." Congratulations on the kid. Back to your pit bull who you claim your'e responsible for but allow to run off leash...
"And believe me I wouldn't risk my family over anything if I felt it a risk it would be different. So worry about you and yours...." Funny how so many people who believed that ended up having a problem pit... Yours may not be and if so, wonderful! You truly have a good dog. But you're blind to the many people who believe this who are more often wrong when considering breeds of choice.
"Your entitled attitude is the poison ruining this world" Really... the views of someone you said were not that important are apparently now important, based on your words, that they are able to poison the world? Can you stick to your own beliefs or do you love to flip flop?
"Do you guys realize you have an entire page detected to dogs mauling people? Not educating people or raising awareness to try and find solutions to many of the problems, but glorifying bloodshed."
You are an idiot, you know that?
Let me tell you something, Bill. I'm a pit bull advocate, just like you. Well... not really, because I actually realize that the problems these dogs have that disrupt their welfare and society so much is both due to ownership and genetics. You're either too foolish or stupid to realize this.
I would love to see pit bulls go to good homes. The problem I have is that too many are being bred and too many are being bred for agression. There's a reason people preserve the fight lines in most strains... and it's not always for show. The problem is that people still want genetically agressive pits. And the other problem is that ignorants like you believe that every pit bull can be saved if "you raise them right." Well here's some news, nutty, that's not always the case. And if you click the blue hyperlinks and take the time to read the stories of these people you will see that most of the time, these dogs do things to great detriment for little to no reason. Many of those pit bull owners were just like you, believed their pit bull would never hurt anyone, and then two or even eight years down the road the pit bull ends up killing or maiming someone. This pregnant woman believed her pit bulls were safe. Then her male killed her and her unborn child. Sounds like your family right now.
You want to fix the problem? Admit that pit bulls need regulation, desperately and right now. I'm not talking about bans. I'm talking about licensed breeding that produce sound strains, pit bulls that must be microhipped, collard, fenced, trained, socialized, and the owner must have a license to own the dog and must take at least a years course on some sort of dog ownership. Pit bulls are NOT like other dogs. They are different, and we made them that way sadly. And because so many are bad by nature there are many inherently good ones who pay the price. But we cannot tell which is what because these dogs are unpredictable most of the time. Even those that "pass temperament tests" end up being problematic.
Dawn does offer solutions. But reading their other blog is apparently too hard for you. Or maybe you don't want to face the truths I've mentioned above.
And before you try and educate Terrierman on his pit bull views. Actually read his posts. And even his son owns a pit bull. Some of us who comment on this blog are not haters of pit bulls, but we're haters of the idiotic "logic" that spews out of the nutter crowd's maws. You being one of them. You want to see more people and pit bulls suffer? Keep doing what you are doing...
"Bla bla blah" is all this Bill guy is saying. And that's all he can say because he has no credible argument that can hold ground.
He mentioned that The ghetto type look that most of society (only educated by the media with no personal experience) think are pitbulls. That/those are the real problem. Yet I don't see the blue whales or XL pit bulls or the low rider pit bulls attacking people. you know, those "ghetto" pit bulls that Bill is talking about. If he would look at any number of blogs such as four legged friends or craven desires he would see that most of the pit bulls look like this in terms of anatomy.
So Bill again has proven he is either a fool or an idiot in the fact that even HE can't discriminate the difference between a ghetto and fighting line pit bull. They are both the same breed, both are APBT. But the ghetto pit does have a different phenotype compared to pits sticking to the breed standard. And it's those pit bulls that seem to account for most of the attacks.
Real research instead of parroting would take you a long way Bill.
Also, here's a helpful entry that will educate you on how to ID a pit bull. :-)
Now I know I said I was done responding publicly but since you guys feel it necessary to give my words your own meaning & assume implications that were never made I'm back. This is why I gave my personal email, but since no one has any convictions or courage to contact me directly you put words in my mouth. Every message on here referencing me completely missed all points made. Some of your comments seem like you're responding to something completely different. So I will very briefly tear each one apart and if anyone has the courage to stand behind your banter and the intelligence needed to get your point across please email me fitnessrx @ gmail. I do not imply anything. What you see will mean exactly what is says. I understand our country's school system is lagging but I've tried to dumb it down best i can. If you can't get it you really shouldn't be posting about it.
Hey there, Bill.
"I actually am disappointed I let you guys sucker me into this shit." Well we cannot help that you're easy to enrage. Owner like dog, eh?
Actually I found it funny that I allowed myself to get into it never said anything about anger but nice try... So it's more like Good sense of self/humor... Owner like dog... Kinda. I think my dog has a good sense of humor. Or maybe we'll someday attack for no reason. Caving in someone's skull just to do it. Time will tell
"Honestly unless Anyone as had THEIR OWN family destroyed by a dog of this breed you have no reason to be spreading your hate." You don't know the lives of any of the people who are commenting here, so you're being just as discriminatory as the people you claim are inherently so...
Thank you. You've made my point exactly. I don't know the lives just as I stated. Nothing discriminatory. I think its safe to say you've never been affected cause you probably would've said so... It would've been a definite argument winner For you. I am completely sympathetic to anyone who has suffered for any unnecessary reason.
"Are your lives that empty, have you nothing of any relevance or worth to your positive time and love to." I spend most of my day at a well paying job personally. Didn't know that having a productive life that is also full of social opportunity meant my life was shallow and pointless, good to know.unnecessarily for any reason.
"Do you need to be slandering an animal one of gods creatures..." Last time I checked, dogs were created by man. And yay for another hallow argument with no real bases or purpose....
Breeding yes... I get what you're trying to say, but Man did not create dog no one would back you on this... Very retarded
The first half wasn't worth discussing in type but I'd be more than happy to address. Although more intelligent than the last still has holes.
I have a great dog, I also have a child due in a few months & I can't wait to watch them together! It completes my family and who are you to stick your fat glutton ass in and try to tell me I'm wrong or irresponsible." Congratulations on the kid. Back to your pit bull who you claim your'e responsible for but allow to run off leash...
What makes you think my dog runs off leash? Not once did I say that?
"And believe me I wouldn't risk my family over anything if I felt it a risk it would be different. So worry about you and yours...." Funny how so many people who believed that ended up having a problem pit... Yours may not be and if so, wonderful! You truly have a good dog. But you're blind to the many people who believe this who are more often wrong when considering breeds of choice.
No I just don't care! It isn't my problem nor yours or anyone else but those involved
"Your entitled attitude is the poison ruining this world" Really... the views of someone you said were not that important are apparently now important, based on your words, that they are able to poison the world? Can you stick to your own beliefs or do you love to flip flop?
It's about regulation and societies frame of mind... My closing statement will bring this all together.
"Do you guys realize you have an entire page detected to dogs mauling people? Not educating people or raising awareness to try and find solutions to many of the problems, but glorifying bloodshed."
You are an idiot, you know that?
Name calling.... The best way to prove your points.... Thanks I see now.
Let me tell you something, Bill. I'm a pit bull advocate, just like you. Well... not really, because I actually realize that the problems these dogs have that disrupt their welfare and society so much is both due to ownership and genetics. You're either too foolish or stupid to realize this.
Actually, I'm not really a pitbull advocate. I went to the HS to get a dog... Any dog that seemed a good fit with me and my family. Came home with a pit. As any responsible person would do I researched, and still do. The majority of what I see is post about regulating/wiping out the breed altogether. Something that will effect me and my family. I never denied any problem. But I'd hardly say they disrupt the welfare of society! From that statement if nothing is done it'll be like "planet of the pits!" like I said, I'd be very surprised if anyone posting even knew someone maimed or killed by a pit. And I bet all of you know someone attacked by a different breed (not denying damage caused by pit attacks can be much worse)
He mentioned that The ghetto type look that most of society (only educated by the media with no personal experience) think are pitbulls. That/those are the real problem. Yet I don't see the blue whales or XL pit bulls or the low rider pit bulls attacking people. you know, those "ghetto" pit bulls that Bill is talking about.
Those are bloodlines and breeders, how/why would a reporter report that info?
The majority of dogs that attack stem from backyard breeders in the inner city.... (again not stating all)
"The debates being made here on this blog are simple. Pit bulls were never known as nanny dogs, were never known as America's dogs, and were always known to be more of a social and economical liability because pit bulls were purposefully breed to be easily provoked, fight, and finish it."
Who cares.... If some people think otherwise, let them. Does it really. Bother you that much? There are many things skewed by history... Some a lot more important than this. Do you really think changing someone's view on a historical point will do anything. Ok so they weren't nanny dogs.... Wow! Now what?
My main issue....
About a century ago our country got the idea of a nanny country, regulating the things that could hurt us. It was a very slippery slope and today we are seeing it spiraling outta control. Everyone is ok with the government making it's regulations until it is something that affects them. We need less Government regulation and start doing it ourselves! Being response for our own lives and not trying to force others to be responsible for there's. That is the only solution that can't come around and bites in the ass!
I thought you weren't coming back, Bill. I thought this blog was a waste of time and that your participation here would not longer be. Or is your memory span to short to recall what you've previously said?
I guess gripping humans don't know how to let go.
Again if younread what I wrote I addressed my comment of not coming back so your assumption of memory is wrong....gripping humans? Sure I won't have my words slandered even if on a dumb ass blog page. And thanks for proving your worthlessness by notncontacting me directly if you had anythimg to say.
Bill,
I didn't twist your words.
You first said this on the 16th. "This'll probably be my last post so if you're looking for a reply it'll have to be through email cuz I'm done lowering my self to this level."
Then you said today... "Now I know I said I was done responding publicly but since you guys feel it necessary to give my words your own meaning & assume implications that were never made I'm back."
You're a liar and are twisting your own words. There's nothing you can keep straight apparently.
Bill,
To further prove your a liar or too dumb to remember what you've said just a few days ago... You've stated many times that you don't care or that no one should take the time to care about this blog. :-) Might I list them for you?
Dec. 16th
"It's 3am and I have a wedding to go to tomorrow and you got me all worked up. The fact is who cares... We can argue back and forth forever." Then you contradict yourself in your own comment as proven later again by saying this, "ALL of my points ALWAYS being valid while only some of yours are.... It really doesn't matter!"
I think you need to get some medical help if your memory is this shoddy...
And I love this! ""Are your lives that empty, have you nothing of any relevance or worth to your positive time and love to." Aren't you doing the same thing by constantly coming back here and responding to people who's opinion's "don't matter" who's viewpoints are inherently wrong because "you're right by default" and who's lives are wasted because they spend a few minutes responding to this monstrous blog?
Think I twisted those two, Bill? you've said on the 16th that "ALL of my points ALWAYS being valid while only some of yours are...." when it comes to the opinions or facts of pit type dogs. Then proceed to state that "Why do you people care so much about something that never has and the chances of it ever happening are so small it isn't even worth calculating!"
Why do you care so much about opinions who aren't worth noticing? Is it because this blog is a viable threat to your fragile mentality on pit bull dogs? ;-)
I think I know why this me guy feels to threatened. He probably takes his pittie to parts and quote unquote educates people on how biddable and sweet pit bulls are. Yes, many pit bulls are good, but many are also bad for various reasons.
Back to my point.
He probably points back to the quote unquote glory days of pit bulls often listed around the early 1990's ending in the mid 1900's to these quote unquote undereducated people. But this blog proves a solid foundation against his perception. The perception that pits were popular, children loving, and cherished pets.
So now he desperately scrambles in his barrel of pointless arguments such as "that's racist!" or "that's not a pit bull!" Despite the fact that pit bulls and dogs in general are not genetically similar to people and that their sexual mannerisms were controlled to produce repetitive and discriminatory and predictable habits, actions, and urges.
When that fails. He claims that the people commenting didn't understand his points and that anyone who disagrees with him is blind-sighted, arrogant, and has no life. Despite the fact that he keeps coming back and doesn't heed the advice and fair points of other pit bull advocates such as the other anon and terriermen who have different viewpoints than he does. Points that actually would make a difference and save pits as well as people needless suffering if ignorants like him would come to understand and embrace them. Loving the abuse like a beaten drunk, he keeps coming back, proving that he's more of a nutter than a logical pit bull owner. And that by ignoring and promoting regulation of temperament and population breeding and ownership to stop suffering, he prefers to watch people and the dogs suffer over and over and over and over and over and over again... 200 years of abused, neglected and or aggressive dead pits as well as people who suffer the urges of theses dogs must make you tingle inside, Bill aka "me".
So let me get this straight -- Billy aka me on his blogger account claims to be a responsible pit bull owner.
But he has a breed of dog who's known to have a higher prey drive, loss of direction, poor impulse control, and lack of adherence to commands running off leash in what seems to be a public area.
That's what I call responsible!
Oh, but he remembered to put a coat on his pit before it rained. --
billy claims to own the beach. i wonder if he installed invisible fencing at the boundaries?
i think that rain coat is cute. kind of reminds me of dexter.
All animals/pets only know what they have been taught or shown, or what they have not been taught or shown. Snakes are vicious..lets eliminate them from the world, so are bulls, alligators, sharks and people... all of these types of animals have killed a human..so eliminate them all??? If you socialize a animal, that's what it will know..if you don't then it will only know the owner. If you abuse an animal..it will see everyone as a threat. Get educated and stop targeting one thing because it's what you don't like...experienced pit bull owner.
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